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tanya clearly stated that some dreams feel different, and those dreams are prophetic, not that you can make something happen by believing hard enough
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Not only that, but I don't think sea-mist's experience will carry over to everyone
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So what if i practice having dreams that feel different, or at least make it so my regular dreams feel that way, like the way she would describe them. Then they would be prophetic right?
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ive only had like a handful of those dreams.. they arent common..
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you cant "practice having dreams which feel different" .. well you could and due to your thinking create then dreams which feel different but that wont make them those kind of dreams
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from what I'm getting, it's not about how a dream feels, that just lets you know it will be prophetic, but rather it's about the dream itself, and all prophetic dreams just happen to feel a certain way, or at least only prophetic dreams natrually feel that way and the ones that don't aren't actionable anyway
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More specifically, sea-mist's prophetic dreams feel a certain way to sea-mist
9:19 PM
My mom told me she had a prophetic dream a long time ago, about something really mundane. I don't think the dream felt special to her, but then the thing happened irl
9:21 PM
To be clear, I'm agnostic when it comes to metaphysics
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I, for one, don't believe in any of this stuff. the mind can easily highlight outliers and change memories to make things more in line with ones beliefs, so it is very easy for it to seem like there is something more magical going on than there is. I think that if we could tell the future, it would be in ways less cryptic than dreams
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One thing I'm not a fan of, is rationalizing away other people's experiences. Sometimes there's a good non-meta explanation, but sometimes it's just "I don't know" and pretending to know is not scientific at all
9:29 PM
I'd rather just admit "I don't know"
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nobody knows any of this stuff, but you have to take action, and that means making judgements based on incomplete information
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this is my best guess
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I think it can be good to rationalize if there is a rational explanation.. though sometimes there just is not. People learn things by experiences
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as the saying goes .. look for horses before zebras.. (edited)
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Im so happy right now. I used to often take photos of spirit balls.. I can ask them to appear for me and then they often do.. or if I see one or see a spirit and ask him to make it so I can take a photo.. they then appear when I take the photo as a spirit ball. Anyway.. not so long ago my camera I've always used to take the photos broke so I got a new camera and was a bit worried in case my new one doesnt pick these up when I ask them to appear.. the great thing is I just found out IT DOES!!
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anyway.. so I thought I'd share the photos I just took
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The backstory to my spirit ball photo today was this spirit was exciting my cat and he was obviously seeing something there which I wasn't seeing. So I tried to clairvoyantly see the spirit or spirit ball but as the way he was looking was in the direction of 3 different rooms I didnt know where to put my clairvoyant attention onto.. so I decided to grab my camera which just so happened to be next to my bed and take 3 photos immediately one after the other (I was sitting on bed still) to try to get whatever he was looking at on camera. (edited)
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The first two photos.. nothing odd appears.. interesting for those 2 photos I forgot to try to communicate with the spirit and get him to slow his vibration down so he could appear on camera..when I went to take the 3 photo I realised what I forgot and told the spirit to do that.. and that is the photo the spirit ball then appeared in.
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Here is the photos
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no spirit ball in this photo..
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it's in the back room (which is actually my bathroom) just above the dolphin transfer on the wall.
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(the above is a small section Ive cut out from of the third photo so you can see it better).. if anyone goes and says it is dust or something like that in front of my camera.. well then explain why dust only does that when I ask for photos of these (edited)
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I woke up a couple of days covered in bruises (and scratches on my back in places I cant even reach.. I woke up looking like I'd been in a fight).. as if something attacked me when I was asleep.. and the fact that spirit ball has a red ring around it concerns me .. as I know red can represent anger. I hope that is not an angry spirit.
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I took photos of the marks on me
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At least it's not purple.
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purple? what would that mean? I thought purple may of represented higher beings but Im not sure
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if I had accidently grabbed my arm with my other one in my sleep.. what looks like finger marks would of been going the other way on my arm
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Yeah those are stronger ^^° I'm not an expert in the subject at all. Just seeing the red outline made me remember a talk I had with a friend of mine years ago. And he said I had purple in my room at that time and that it was worrying it was often around me. Never had any issue but just reminded me that. (edited)
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this is the other arm (edited)
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I woke up looking a complete mess (I think that was 2 nights back)... bruised arms and possible claw marks on my back where I cant reach. (edited)
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i also had like finger mark bruises on my legs and other places too
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possible psychic attack
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I got to remember to put up psychic protection
10:16 AM
welcome to my weird world lol, all this stuff is very real. The first tulpa (Violet) I made which got taken by another, was supposed to help protect me. (edited)
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Twilibri, the purple around you.. are you sure she was not just seeing a part of your aura? The can appear at times with people who are spiritual (I dont know what others things make a persons aura that colour). I'd have to consult in my aura books to check on that. Everyones aura is coloured and we all have different colours around us depending on ourselves (edited)
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pity i couldnt find my aura photos the other day to post up
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I'm not sure but I think I remember it was not part of mine. At least not fully mine.
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The "spirit ball" you are referring to is clearly an artifact of flash photography
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4:30 PM
In optics, a circle of confusion is an optical spot caused by a cone of light rays from a lens not coming to a perfect focus when imaging a point source. It is also known as disk of confusion, circle of indistinctness, blur circle, or blur spot. In photography, the circle of ...
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It's well known that this isn't paranormal or metaphysical
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There are hundreds of photographs on the internet of this phenomenon and the circles or "balls" or "orbs" always appear in dimly-lit settings
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If I had to take a wild guess you took the first photograph without flash and the second one with flash - but even if that's not the case it doesn't change the fact that this is well-known fuckery
4:41 PM
In photography, backscatter (also called near-camera reflection) is an optical phenomenon resulting in typically circular artifacts on an image, due to the camera's flash being reflected from unfocused motes of dust, water droplets, or other particles in the air or water. It...
THE TROUBLE WITH "ORBS" AND WHY THEY ARE NOT EVIDENCE OF THE PARANORMAL -- OR OF ANYTHING BUT DUST AND BUGS
● Tips On Debunking Orbs ● ● When it comes to presenting evidence of the paranormal, pictures and
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Insects
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7 new tabs were opened in quickly researching this
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I took a picture with my flash on and got a similar strange result. Its very vague
4:56 PM
Here is reflecting light from what i believe to be the photoframe to the left
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That probably has something to do with exposure time
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You took the photo with a phone so I bet the phone was very slightly in motion
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Here are moths flying around a light on a photo with a long exposure time
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Thats cool
5:14 PM
Looks like barbed wire
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amask. I used to have photos like that other you posted with many of them in them (I lost them when my one of my computers broke). And no.. as I said the photos I took yesterday were taken in exactly the same manner, so it was not to do with having flash or not having flash...orb appears in one but not the other 2 (coincidently the 2 in which I did not ask the spirit to appear for the camera). (I'll sometime take and put up here some photos I take without flash which shows them next time I know there are spirits about). (edited)
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but those pictures are how they usually appear to me.. both if I see them with my own eyes or if I get them on picture. Usually those white or clearish dimpled looking ball orbs (edited)
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and they do not always appear in dimly lit settings, well at least in my photos. I've got one on camera before on a bright day outside (more than once). The background of the setting can be important to see them at times though eg a white ball against a white background can be hard to pick up on camera.. so a different coloured wall behind it can make it easier to see in photos as would be expected. (edited)
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I've also at times got one going behind an object, some of the orb showing and some is not and it's a distance away.. so the dust explanation or or even the reflection explanation cant be fitted to those either (or the "you must of had a dirty camera lense explanation). (edited)
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I'm looking at those wikpedia links you put up "In photography, backscatter (also called near-camera reflection[1]) is an optical phenomenon resulting in typically circular artifacts on an image, due to the camera's flash being reflected from unfocused motes of dust, water droplets, or other particles in the air or water. It is especially common with modern compact and ultra-compact digital cameras.[2][3] [/quote]
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I've been able to get these on camera BEFORE I even had digital cameras (with my old files destroyed, I do have orbs on photos in which I had to take into photo shop to get developed. My very first orb photos were like that and though I lost all my computer files so my photos which were taken with my digital camera . I will find a couple of those older non digital camera photos in my actual physical photos some time and post them here. The first time I had orbs appear was at my fathers 40th birthday party so it was a special occassion and I joked for years that it's his younger brother who was deceased and who died when I was a teen. (I have non digital camera photos of an orb moving across a room) I noticed there they also call "back scatter" "near camera reflection" .. a point through three different rooms is not close to a flash. Where you see the light reflections eg against the hall way wall and on the tv.. they are coming from houselights. (I'd like to say there is no nails or anything like that in the wall where the dolphin transfer is). (edited)
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as far as the ghost hunter link goes which was put up https://www.americanhauntingsink.com/trouble he makes some comments I find quite strange in his assumptions. "Despite what has been seen and heard, there has never been any evidence whatsoever to suggest that these “orbs” are in any way related to ghosts. Yes, they have often turned up in photos that are taken at haunted locations but, as my research started to show, they could turn up literally everywhere."
THE TROUBLE WITH "ORBS" AND WHY THEY ARE NOT EVIDENCE OF THE PARANORMAL -- OR OF ANYTHING BUT DUST AND BUGS
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Well spirits do not necesssarily cause hauntings.. so I don't find it strange at all that orbs show up literally everywhere. He's wrongly assuming the spirits or ghosts always cause haunting and then using his very wrong assumption of his to dismiss the orb thing (edited)
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"It should also be noted that "orbs" were actually quite rare (if not nonexistent) before digital cameras became common"
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um "(if not existent)" well he has not done his research well then.. as I have at least 2 such photos.. So once again he tries to dismiss the orb stuff based on something which is not true which he obviously does not know enough about. (edited)
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"I started experimenting with “orb” photos a number of years ago, using a variety of materials, like flour, salt, dust and cat dander, to simulate “orbs” with my camera. I was not really that surprised to learn how easy it was to duplicate what so many people thought were ghosts using these ordinary items. " Well were is this persons faked photos. I want to see them to compare how close he got. He says he did that but shows no proof.
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"With three other researchers, I went out to a cemetery that we picked at random on a warm summer night and took several rolls of film. We had no readings, stories or reports to justify the decision, but just took photos anyway. After having them developed, we discovered a number of the photos were filled with semi-transparent "orbs." On a hunch, we then went to a nearby football field that was roughly the same size as the cemetery we had already visited. We walked around for a few minutes and again shot a few rolls of film. I was unfortunately not surprised to find that these photos were also filled with “orbs.” Was the football field haunted? Of course not! What we did was walk around both areas and stir up dust and pollen from the grass. When we took the photos, these particles in the air caught the reflection of the camera flash and appeared to be "orbs"."
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That guy obviously was going to try to say they were "dust" and "pollen from the grass" (I suppose he wasnt able to use his dust theory well on the football over shots so had to come up with the pollen reason) no matter how clearly he got orbs in the photos. He cant prove it was "pollen" or "dust" making orbs and just makes an assumption. That is not scientific either.
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"People still want to show off their pictures of "ghost orbs" -- complete with faces, different colors to tell you what the mood the ghost is in, the whole works. It never ends. In all honesty, I no longer care about this debate -- mostly because there is no argument to this" this comment shows he will dismiss ANYTHING thing with orbs which is shown to him.
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I could take a photo every time I saw a spirit and get an orb in it each time where the spirit was standing (like I did one time) and that guy would still debunk what was happening to me. Best to avoid sceptics like him then waste time on them. He reminds me of that group who offers $50,000 to people if they can prove paranormal stuff.. but then if the people do end up passing the set test for the experiment, it still gets dismissed as the investigators just come up with other things each time (and each they get the person to pay for the experiment). (edited)
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Those moisture orbs (spirit balls dont come in colours like that. well at least all the ones Ive ever seen or taken photos of) and the insects do not look like spirit orbs. What they are putting down to dust orbs do look (well at least some of those) like how spirit orbs appears. If you go to my photo with the orb in it though, you can see that orb is not causd by dust as it's not appearing close to the camera (it is actually in the back room and one would not see a spec of dust from that distance, well not appearing the size it is from that distance) (edited)
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sorry pudding. Im not seeing an orb in your photo.. your roof appears patchy. Orbs appear fairly round and usually have a quite defined edge. The only time I've seen something off shape is if there was something wrong with it.. eg bad energy prana when I see it clairvoyantly.. it has lost it's roundness and is urgh I dont know how to explain.. I'd have to draw what I then see. (edited)
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pudding .. try what works for me and be serious about it when you do it. Call out (you dont need to be loud)... for if there is any spirits in the room to stand in front of you so you can take their photo. Ask them to slow down their energy if they can or help it to appear on the photo. That's what works for me. I very rarely will get a photo of an orb unless I ask for them to help me take the photo exception of that is if Ive been doing some high powered yogi meditations.. then I sometimes got lots in photos. (this of cause only works if you do have a spirit about you and if they are willing). (edited)
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I'd like to do youtube one day as I wonder if at all if I'd have orbs in my filming..
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that's how I see damaged energy balls (out of all the orbs I've got photos of, I've never though had a damaged one appear in those as they are so uncommon). Puddings photo though is not one of those. Damaged energy is weaker and often appears darker but i except with the orbs for them to appear fairly round unless they were making and then they are more blurred and trailing. It helps me to study these things as at times I can actually see them so Im not just reliant on cameras. If I see one (a spirit or a spirit ball), I can pull out my camera and get a photo (if I have my camera next to me). Try taking some photos next time you see your cat looking at something you cant see to see what your cat is watching. (edited)
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somethings I've noticed which I found interesting.. Im sure my cat can see my tulpa who I have been imposing outside of myself. The other day.. I think my cat was actually started playing with my tulpas feet. I was sitting on my bed at the time and trying to impose jesse laying on the bed and I was focused on his head.. when the cat took interest in his feet. (so it wasn't like my cat focused on the spot I was focusing on at the time). I should take some photos of my cat when he's noticed my tulpa. (edited)
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I dont know if it's possible or not but one day if I can impose Jesse fairly vividly.. I'd like to try to see if I can get a photo of his figure. I cant see why that may not be possible seeing spirit balls can be seen and that is energy appearing on photos.. so why couldnt a tulpas form appear on a photo if one made one strongly enough and charged the form enough. (anyway, I've probably set that goal far too high but it is something I'd like to try). If the cat can see him, there is something there and it's just figuring out how to make it (the energy form) appear on the camera. People who astrally project can appear in photos as energy figures. I saw a photo of this which someone at one of my groups took (and when you impose outside of yourself you are sending out astral energy and that is taking up form) (edited)
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I think it might be possible for animals to somehow percieve tulpas. My cat, Miki, sometimes also seemed to be aware of L's presence. Maybe they are more sensitive to energy than we are? I think imposing their form asks for some energy gathering on the spot they're at, and if not percieving the tulpa, they might percieve the said energy. Note that I don't say "see". We don't really "see" tulpas either when imposing them, we hallucinate them. But yeah, it seems like a fun experiment. Let me know how it plays out, it would be rather cool if that were true.
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i am in a rp group.
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the rp is.. chaotic. very chaotic. disaster happens often and arguing too.
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and.. the meta thing about this is..
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its.. oddly prophetic.
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the group members argues with themselves very often. and i see disaster strike them, as very often the serious channel is filled. rants, arguments.. everything goes into there.
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as if the chaos of the RP began to mirror ourselves. drama and hate, sorrow and pain.
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its heartbreaking, really
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i promised to one of the friends while the group was a happy little circle to never leave them behind. to stay together til the end.
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and i don't want to break it, but.. but..
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with the group around me going to hell, i want to run away. to run as far as i can, and to never look back.
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yeah just get the fuck outta there
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listen, if everyone else is a terrible person and you know it it's best to just leave
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